Cts Pot Serial Number


The pot codes whatsoever (which can is visible on only on four pots due to soldering) says R 1379702, R 1379702, R 1379710 and R 1379710. Which means that they are CTS and that the two of them were made in week #10 1997 (which was the first week of March 1997) and the other two in January.

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1970 CTS Potentiometer

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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:00 am
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Hi all. Looking through some old electronics parts in my basement, I found some rather large potentiometers labeled 'CTS USA', etc. After some searching, it seems to me that these were used on Fender guitars -- and judging from the serial number they were made in 1970. I don't claim to be an expert on vintage guitar parts, so I thought I would ask the people that are. Are these rare or in demand (or, worth not throwing away)? Does anybody have any more info on these?
Thanks for the help!


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I think it meet Chicago Telephone Supply and I read that Fender used mostly Stackpole brand pots in the 1950's, and CTS brand pots in the 1960's. These pots are date coded, and can help verify the authenticity and year of an instrument. The manufacturer code for CTS is 137 (or 304 for Stackpole), so this number should be stamped on the pot somewhere. Following this number is the date code in YWW or YYWW format. The 'Y' or 'YY' is the last digit(s) of the year, and the WW is the week. In the 1950's, YWW date format was used. For example, '137504' would be a CTS pot made in the 4th week of 1955. A code of '1376344' would be a CTS pot made in the 44th week of 1963.
I would put on them Ebay I think it would be better than the trash. If you dont want them I wolud take them . Good luck


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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:50 am
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:35 am
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Just before anyone gets too excited.
They cost $5 or so new any day of the week. I'd be asking what the part number how many ohms they are and what taper, these could be any old part. Also knowing in advance they have been tested in an circuit helps as sitting in a draw doesn't mean they are impervious to oxidization. Probably doing far better than a daily player after that long however. Heh. You can clean or pull original pots apart and get them repaired if they aren't too far gone.


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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:44 am
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There are two numbers on them:
1377035
and below that:
VC458-1
Thanks guys for all the help. Thanks goodinbed for the explanation of the codes -- that helps shed some light on things.


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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:16 am
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I'd be asking what the part number how many ohms they are and what taper ...

That's what I meant when I asked about their 'value.' I wasn't asking about their market worth.

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An early 1960s pot from a Gibson guitar. Once decoded, the writing on the back or sides can be very informative

If you've been reading articles about dating a vintage guitar, you may well have come across mention of pot codes. The pots, or potentiometers to give their full name, are the variable resistors that control volume and tone. Better quality pots are often stamped with a number of codes; typically part numbers, date of production, manufacturers codes and resistance values. Many pots don't carry all of this information, but the better quality guitars produced in America regularly do.

So where are these codes? Normally they are stamped or inked onto the back or sides of the pot. So reading them will require opening control cavities, removing scratchplates, or in the case of a semi acoustic, removing the pots entirely. Codes can be worn, obscured by solder and other components, or simply very small. Finding them is not always easy; this is obviously not something for the faint-hearted, but once performed a few times, nowhere near as daunting as it might at first seem. There are many exceptions and variations to the general rules described below, some of which are highlighted in the examples at the end.

Part numbers

Many pots do not have part numbers, but the larger guitar manufacturers did list pots by part number in their spare parts manuals. You can look up Gibson potentiometers by their part number in the Gibson pot index on this site.

Manufacturers codes

Cts Pot Serial Number

There are very many electronic companies worldwide producing potentiometers, but most American vintage guitars of the 20th Century used pots by just a few manufacturers. American pot manufacturers had their own numerical codes, for example 134 = Centralab, 137 = CTS and 304 = Stackpole. Although many others were used, these are by far the most important, as they were widely used by the likes of Gibson, Fender, Guild and Epiphone. Other worldwide manufacturers just used the company name rather than a code. Many also put a country of production.

Production dates

Production dates are usually in three or four digits, one or two digits giving the year (for many US pots one digit refers to the 1950s, two digits to the 1960s), and two giving the week of the year. These often run on from the manufacturer code. For example 1346120 is a centralab pot (134) produced in the 20th week of 1961. But remember this is the date that the potentiometer was produced. Pots in an older guitar may have been replaced, and this should be considered, especially if the date suggested does not fit with other features of the guitar. What's more, guitar companies sometimes took a very long time to use the potentiometer in question, and they may be considerably older than the guitar itself. Fender, famously bought huge stocks of pots in 1966, and took almost a decade to use them all. Conversely, guitars were also built, but not wired and shipped immediately, resulting in newer pots in older guitars. This is especially the case for guitars that were only ever shipped in tiny numbers. Pot dates are a useful tool in dating a guitar, but should always be used in conjunction with other known factors, such as hardware changes and serial numbers.

Resistance values and taper

Resistance values are normally listed. 250k, 500k and 1 Meg (1000k) being the most common. The taper of a pot describe how the resistance changes with the turning of the pot. The words LIN on a pot means a linear taper; turned half way, the resistance is at approx. 50% of maximum, three quarters of the way at 75% of maximum etc. AT stands for audio taper. These change logarithmically.

Examples

1961 Centralab pot as fitted to an early Gibson SG Special. In this case the codes are stamped in very small font to the side of the pot casing.
1346120 (Centralab pot, 20th week of 1961)
BA811-1053 (Gibson part number 811-1053)
500k (resistance value)
The volume pot of a 1963 Hofner President bass. These early Hofner pots have very little information; a resistance value of 250k and 383 - in this case meaning week 38 of 1963. These appear on the underside of the pot.
This early 1960s British pot came from a UK built Vox Shadow. It has little information on it: UK 500K LIN (a resistance value of 500k, a linear taper, and the fact that it was made in the UK). The manufacturer's name, Morganite is there, but no means of dating. Morganite were based in Jarrow, Tyne and Wear
Many Vox guitars were made by Eko in Italy, and these used Italian pots. Again they have little information. This one (from a late 1960s Vox Astro bass) is marked LESA, made in Italy on the back, with 500k 1 22 on the side. Again dating does not seem to be possible with these pots. Guitars by Vox, Eko and Hagstrom all used Lesa potentiometers.
1969 CTS pots as fitted to a 1969 Gibson Melody Maker
TX1158 (Gibson part number)
500k AT (resistance value, audio taper)
One has a code of 1376902 (CTS pot, 2nd week of 1969), another has 1376852 (CTS pot, 52nd week of 1968)
Stackpole pot as fitted to a 1971 Fender Telecaster. Fender Centralab and CTS pots, but used Stackpole widely in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
032367 (Fender part number)
250K (resistance value)
304-7116 (Stackpole pot, 16th week of 1971)
1973 CTS pot as fitted to a Fender Musicmaster bass. Note this is the same part number as the 1971 Stackpole pot above, although now produced by CTS.
032367 (Fender part number, obscured)
250K (resistance value)
1377329 (CTS pot, 29th week of 1973)
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